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Tony Prince here on KNGY Radio.

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The prettiest face in radio, they call
me.

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The mouthpiece of the average Joe.

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We're going to be with you for the next
couple of hours or so.

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I want to talk about meat today. Get to
the meat of the matter, so to speak. I

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love animals, but I love eating them
even more, I think. But, you know, if it

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lives and breathes, I kind of want to
taste it.

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It's kind of strange. It seems sort of
arbitrary what we...

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we think is appropriate to eat and
what's not appropriate to eat.

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Like we can kill a cow or slaughter a
pig, that's no problem, but for some

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reason it's unacceptable to curl up in
front of the television with a little

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on your plate.

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I wonder why that is.

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So, you know, you want to surprise your
victim too, right?

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Because if they have time to get to know
what's coming, they panic, the

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adrenaline starts going, and it just
totally paints the meat.

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Yeah, you can taste it.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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I mean, ideally what you want is, you
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for three or four days, just feed them
water. It really flushes out the system.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I'd do it if I could, if I had, like,
the setup down here, but I don't really

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have the setup.

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This actually is a lot easier, too.

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Okay.

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Just going to get it closed off now.

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So are you guys recording this right
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No, no, no, no.

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Well,

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why is that red light flashing on the
camera there?

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Is this a new camera or something?

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Yeah, brand new.

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So how's this all going to work then?

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Are you supposed to ask me questions?

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Do you want me to acknowledge that
you're in the car with me?

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I would say not. I would say to pretend
like we're not here really is probably

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the best thing.

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Or you can be yourself.

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Or you can look right into the camera
and pretend the camera is another

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Anything you want to say, any viewpoints
you might have that you want to get

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across to the world.

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Just don't ham it up. Don't be on.

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Don't try to be too dull either.

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Kind of walk that line.

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Do whatever you want to do.

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So, I guess, Anthony, maybe you want to
tell us a little bit about the process?

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Yeah, well, that's the whole thing.
We're kind of looking for a certain kind

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woman tonight because I wanted to make
some stew, some long pig stew.

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It's only human beings that are so
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than every other kind of animal out
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I mean, a worm, you know, worms don't
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mother...

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You know, mama worm, like, get eaten by
the fish.

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You know? The fish eats the worm, and
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the worm.

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And the fish. And the small fish gets
eaten by, like, the big fish.

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And if it was so wrong to eat it, then
why would it taste so good?

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I'm kind of looking for, like, some
marbled meat. You know what I mean?

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Something nice and juicy.

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Yuck.

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No, thanks. No, sorry.

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Way too stringy, mama.

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You're pretty particular then, I guess.

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Yeah, well, it depends on what I want to
make.

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Like what I'm making and, you know.

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She's cute, but I like to match up body
type with the kind of meat that I want.

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Oh, there's this one, though.

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She's way more. That's perfect.

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Yeah.

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Let's turn around here.

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That's good. People who eat stew.

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make perfect stew.

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See, that's the thing. You probably, I
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true. Sign of health, too.

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Hey, how you doing?

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Hey. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Oh, sorry. I'm
just making a little documentary. Yeah,

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don't pay attention. They're like
students. Is this thing going to be on

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Well, we're hoping, actually, for a
theatrical release, ultimately, but, you

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know, it's just... All that matters is
it's not a porno or anything. And I'm

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going to need $100.

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Fair enough. Uh,

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no.

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I thought this was kind of your treat.

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Yeah, why don't you come on in? We'll
figure it out later.

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Hi.

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Now, you've probably heard the recent
rash of prostitutes going missing.

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I hear these left -wing groups are
saying, if one of these girls was the

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daughter, the National Guard would be
locking down the city. Look, folks, the

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mayor's daughter is not a prostitute.
And what do I call you?

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Uh, Anthony?

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Anthony? Yeah, that's my name.

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Mr. Cutie?

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That works too, sure.

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What's your name?

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My name's Chris, but you can just
pretend like I'm not here.

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With a big -ass camera in my face.

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I don't feel uncomfortable, but... I'm
just going to bring you around the back

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here, the back of the house. You don't
mind, eh? I wouldn't have it any other

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way. I don't really care what other
people think, but I just rather them not

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too nosy, you know?

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I'm not. I'm sympathetic to the
situation.

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I'm just saying it's not that rare for
something to happen to a prostitute.

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I know it sounds cruel, and I'm just
telling it like it is.

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So you know what there, guys? I'm just
going to sneak around here to get a

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better shot.

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Okay. So there you go. Just basically go
in just like we're not even here. It's

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nice and natural.

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Go look at the camera.

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Is that all right?

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Yeah, sure. Go on in.

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Okay, my mother's upstairs, though, so
we'll have to, like, keep it down a bit.

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Wait, we're going down here, Lucy.

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The basement?

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Yeah. It's all right. We've got a nice
little setup down here.

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Yeah, go ahead in. Just make yourself
comfortable. I'll be a second.

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I'm just going to get around to him,
take a deep shot of you.

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So, I don't know, maybe you want to tell
us how long you've been a, or rather

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how long you've been, I think what Chris
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been in the business.

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In the business? Yeah.

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Oh my God.

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Oh my God.

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Oh my God. That did it.

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Whoa.

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Are you okay?

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Yeah.

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I had a feeling one of you guys were
going to have a little accident.

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Oh, yeah, there's got to be, in North
America, there's got to be, I don't know

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if I've looked at the recent stats, but
200, 100 active, at least 100 active

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serial killers in North America right
now. Okay,

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I've got to work. Do you want to get
around there?

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I've got to get over here.

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You know, you even take police officers
or paramedics or firefighters.

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You know, all of us deal with death.

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on a regular basis. I've seen some
terrible, terrible things in my career

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police officer.

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You know, just crime scenes that are
just unbelievable and even car accidents

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are unbelievable.

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So dealing with death on a regular basis
occurs.

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And for us, we can't become attached to
each individual thing. If I in any way

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had become attached to every single
person who I've seen die, I'd be a

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keeper.

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Okay. Can I get her clothes off now?

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Okay.

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Okay.

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You know, I think, number one, if you're
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first thing you have to realize is, and
you guys are going to be editing this, I

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take it, the first thing you have to
realize is that they're fucking, they're

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just not wired right. Their brains are
just not wired right. Is there any

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aspect of this for you, or?

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Oh, no, no way.

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I mean, does this look sexual, really,
to you?

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Yeah, well, kind of. Well, not.

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I mean, you know, I'm not a freak or
anything like that.

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Most adults who have this kind of
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you will, psychopaths, it is most
definitely traced back to some form of

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in their childhood.

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More often than not, it's of a sexual
nature.

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Yeah, this is all culinary, man. This is
very, you know, it's hard work. You've

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seen this already, right?

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Probably easier.

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Do you enjoy it, though?

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You know, you take pleasure in your
work, I guess.

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But it's about the end result. It's not
this part, right?

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Like, this is all kind of hackle as far
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Right.

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It's okay over here? Yep.

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Keep going.

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I just think of the end result, you
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You guys are going to get a nice stew
out of this.

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Hang up. Just want to get the drip pan
underneath her.

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Lucy,

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we hardly knew you. Okay.

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First, you just want to cut the corroded
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I don't really think I've ever dealt

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with what you would typically call a
serial killer.

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People commit these atrocious crimes.

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Because they want to be recognized.

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They don't want to be caught, but they
want to be seen.

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They also want to get into a dialogue
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So outsmarting the police, outsmarting
the media, it's going to give this kind

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of personality, this narcissistic
personality, a huge boost to their ego.

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I've never seen anybody faint like that
in real life before.

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Me neither.

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Okay. So you're going to be back there
the whole time?

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Yeah. There's probably some good shots.
Like, if you got it in close, too, I was

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thinking.

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Probably best to keep it back here.
Yeah.

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Keep that camera thing. Oh, yeah, yeah,
yeah. You know, I'm not trying to tell

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you how to do your job.

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Right.

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You know what they say, every cannibal
wants to be a director, right?

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And I'm just, like, looking into the
camera, right?

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Yeah, you can just... Anytime?

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Yeah, sure. Okay.

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Don't let me interrupt you.

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Okay. Well...

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As you can see, I guess any hunter would
recognize this position. We've got the

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corpse hanging from the ankles.

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Some people refer to it as the Gein
configuration.

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Well, Ed Gein we know because he's
become immortalized.

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Leatherface, Norman Bates, Buffalo Bill.

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And yet, who is he? He's socially inept,
lonely, one

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could say pathetic.

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Man. You know what? There's no sympathy
for some scrote who sits there and

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rips a body apart.

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I've got no sympathy for them.

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All right.

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So the first thing I want to do is I'm
going to make a little incision here,

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I'm going to tie off the anus.

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All right? That's just to stop
contamination from the feces.

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I mean, you would do that whether it was
a deer carcass or a cow or a person.

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Obviously, right if you could have seen
the like the first time I did this like

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it was it was pretty ugly just like
hacking away and Going by feel here

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as you can see It's pretty bloody.

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Oh There we go It's a little slippery,
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There you just want to give yourself
enough

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room obviously to be able to tie it off

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It's absolutely necessary, too, for
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That's nice and tight. Now we've got
that tied off. I'm just going to make an

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incision across her abdomen.

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Oh, okay. Well,

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the idea is just between the ribs and
the pelvis.

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Do you keep yourself?

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Yeah, essentially.

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I mean, you know.

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There's no learning annex courses for
this kind of thing, I suppose, right?

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you look at our methods over time of how
we are dealing with our social

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aberrance, it's always been in a cruel,
barbaric manner. Saying that these

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people should be locked up or done away
with, I mean, we've been hearing that

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for centuries now, and it did not solve
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Bedlam did not solve the problem.

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Lobotomization did not solve the
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Electroshock therapy is not solving the
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So certainly, to write these people off,
or to ignore their behavior or think

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that it's going to go away if we kill
them. This is not going to help. It is

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absolutely our duty as individuals and
as a society to understand these people

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and try to help them, as difficult as
that might seem. You know, I leave it to

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the liberal...

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side of our society to be the warm and
fuzzy. I'm more the reality.

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And I think if you guys could see one
body that's been ripped apart, you see

242
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that and you quickly become desensitized
to offering any level of compassion to

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the perpetrator.

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And that's about it.

245
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Now, you know, I probably just want to
clean it out a little bit.

246
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Let's move on. You can't justify. You
can't even make sense out of it.

247
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You know, like you could sit here and
say, well, you know, why are they doing

248
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it? At the end of the day, it doesn't
matter what you say.

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They just have to be screwed in the
head. You know, just separate the tooth

250
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the tendons.

251
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If you hit a snag, just work through it.

252
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Go slow.

253
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Okay. See that?

254
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And that's just a perfect little
portion.

255
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All right?

256
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Let's go.

257
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I'm hungry.

258
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Voila.

259
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Bravo, bravo.

260
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Perfect. All right.

261
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Ben, I can hardly wait for this right
now.

262
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Whoa.

263
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This is so good.

264
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I hope someone out there tries it. I
don't think it's any politically

265
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I don't think it's that anybody cares
any less.

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Prostitute chooses this line of work.

267
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And that's why people are not surprised.
So don't confuse not surprised with not

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interested and not caring. The social
life of a serial killer?

269
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Well, if you want to look at case
studies, often these people are loners,

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typically. But sometimes they may be
surrounded by a small group of friends.

271
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You know, who's the kind of person who
would have a serial killer as a friend?

272
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You know, it's just a beer league.

273
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It's the way to blow off some steam, you
know, a bunch of regular guys out

274
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there. No one's really good. Some guys
think they're in the NHL, but... Me?

275
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I'm pretty good. I hold my own.

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You know.

277
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I mean, I wouldn't want to fuck around
with me out there, that's for sure.

278
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Hey.

279
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What the hell are you doing, man?

280
00:17:10,140 --> 00:17:11,140
Yeah,

281
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pressing the button helped.

282
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You all right there? There's a belt
there, right? Yeah, there's a belt. I'm

283
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going to put it on for you.

284
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As long as these wires don't touch that.
All right.

285
00:17:35,030 --> 00:17:36,550
We're kind of wrapped around it right
now.

286
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So, uh, check, check.

287
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Play some hockey.

288
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Come on, kick his ass.

289
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Come on!

290
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I'll see you next

291
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week, buddy.

292
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Friends of serial killers, they're going
to be people who are very easily

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influenced, often simple -minded, and
who the serial killer can keep under

294
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thumb.

295
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It can happen that these people will
inadvertently be drawn into the

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of said serial killers and unwittingly
will become accomplices in their crimes.

297
00:19:06,370 --> 00:19:09,450
I'm going to have some nice ribs on this
baby.

298
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Whoa.

299
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Like that?

300
00:19:15,850 --> 00:19:17,930
I fucking love barbecue.

301
00:19:18,290 --> 00:19:19,590
It's the only way to cook, man.

302
00:19:25,790 --> 00:19:30,810
Yeah. It's just, uh, there's no animal
byproducts in it or anything. That's

303
00:19:30,810 --> 00:19:31,810
you're worried about.

304
00:19:33,270 --> 00:19:35,090
That sizzle, man. That says it all.

305
00:19:35,590 --> 00:19:37,270
One day I'm gonna write, like, a
cookbook.

306
00:19:37,670 --> 00:19:41,770
Yeah, you know, if I ever get busted or
something like that, if I ever end up in

307
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jail, like, you know, everyone writes
about their crimes anyway, right?

308
00:19:46,290 --> 00:19:47,490
I'm just gonna write, like, a cookbook.

309
00:19:49,100 --> 00:19:50,100
Yeah, exactly.

310
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That's a really good idea. Could you not
see it becoming like a cult, sort of

311
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classic, you know?

312
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Right, man?

313
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When I have a restaurant, if I ever got
a restaurant, man, that's my maitre d'

314
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right there.

315
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,220
Imagine him at the door when you walk
in.

316
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Try the ribs.

317
00:20:05,820 --> 00:20:06,820
Oh, man.

318
00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:08,320
Nothing beats barbecue, man.

319
00:20:09,580 --> 00:20:11,020
Nothing beats barbequa.

320
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Barbequa is the Caribbean name that they
gave for the grill that they used in

321
00:20:16,540 --> 00:20:17,560
cannibalistic rituals.

322
00:20:17,940 --> 00:20:18,940
Whoa!

323
00:20:21,530 --> 00:20:23,950
Yep. It has a rich history, man, this
whole thing.

324
00:20:24,630 --> 00:20:26,110
A rich and wonderful history.

325
00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:27,470
Go for it.

326
00:20:29,050 --> 00:20:30,050
How is it?

327
00:20:31,570 --> 00:20:32,570
I don't know.

328
00:20:33,510 --> 00:20:38,690
That looks juicy.

329
00:20:39,030 --> 00:20:40,930
I have a pretty good butcher, right?

330
00:20:41,790 --> 00:20:43,270
Somebody did those up nicely for me?

331
00:20:44,790 --> 00:20:45,790
Yep.

332
00:20:47,900 --> 00:20:49,820
So I'm cutting up for two, I guess, eh?

333
00:20:50,420 --> 00:20:51,960
All right, John.

334
00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:53,680
Come on, get it, man.

335
00:20:56,360 --> 00:20:57,540
Oh, man, you guys are losers.

336
00:21:00,140 --> 00:21:03,920
Try a little piece. I don't even
fucking... No, I can't. Just a little

337
00:21:04,180 --> 00:21:06,900
I can't. No, but it's just, like, really
small.

338
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,100
I can't, I really can't. But this is
dead anyways.

339
00:21:09,380 --> 00:21:12,560
That's what I don't fucking understand.
It's dead anyways. One animal's as good

340
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,760
as the next, man. Yeah, it's fucking
dead. Who cares?

341
00:21:15,740 --> 00:21:17,220
Plants are alive. We eat plants.

342
00:21:17,710 --> 00:21:20,650
Broccoli has feelings, man. Did you know
that? They feel pain.

343
00:21:21,090 --> 00:21:26,550
Yeah. Well, there is no serial killer
gene that predetermines this kind of

344
00:21:26,550 --> 00:21:28,930
behavior. I mean, at least nobody has
discovered it yet.

345
00:21:29,550 --> 00:21:34,530
It may not be the case all of the time,
but, you know, people who have these

346
00:21:34,530 --> 00:21:38,270
disrupted personalities have endured a
kind of horrific abuse.

347
00:21:38,710 --> 00:21:43,570
Often there is a monster standing behind
that closet door, and that monster is

348
00:21:43,570 --> 00:21:44,570
mommy or daddy.

349
00:21:54,050 --> 00:21:55,730
And I just want to ask you a couple
questions.

350
00:21:57,570 --> 00:21:58,710
Because you're my mom.

351
00:22:00,170 --> 00:22:02,930
No, they're really nice guys.

352
00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:05,930
They've been really nice guys so far.

353
00:22:07,930 --> 00:22:09,610
Yeah, I don't think she liked it very
much at first.

354
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:11,130
Hey, Gordy.

355
00:22:13,410 --> 00:22:15,410
She likes it now, though. I think she's
gotten used to it.

356
00:22:16,130 --> 00:22:17,930
It's like the social side of things,
too, especially.

357
00:22:18,190 --> 00:22:19,410
It's her playing the piano. They're not.

358
00:22:19,919 --> 00:22:20,919
Keeping you prisoner.

359
00:22:21,620 --> 00:22:23,580
That makes me feel really bad when you
say that.

360
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:26,760
Because it's for your own good.

361
00:22:27,020 --> 00:22:29,400
No, I'll be there with you the whole
time.

362
00:22:30,940 --> 00:22:33,980
I love you too.

363
00:22:34,780 --> 00:22:35,780
Bye -bye.

364
00:22:38,260 --> 00:22:39,860
Okay, so, set to go then?

365
00:22:40,100 --> 00:22:41,100
Yeah, basically.

366
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:46,020
This one thing you guys should know, my
mom, Alzheimer's.

367
00:22:46,260 --> 00:22:47,260
Oh, okay, yeah.

368
00:22:47,620 --> 00:22:51,300
So... Well, we can, you know... We'll be
sensitive to that, obviously. Yeah,

369
00:22:51,300 --> 00:22:52,300
yeah.

370
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,680
She loves the movies, though. Yeah. She
always loved movies, and I'm sure once

371
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,700
she sees the camera, she'll warm up to
you guys.

372
00:22:58,980 --> 00:23:02,000
Sometimes you get the most interesting
answers out of people with...

373
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:08,340
Alzheimer's? Well, I was going to say
disorders of some kind.

374
00:23:08,700 --> 00:23:11,660
Well... At least they can be honest, you
know what I'm saying? Yeah. I mean, if

375
00:23:11,660 --> 00:23:17,780
she starts to, like, you know, have some
discretion, like if she starts to...

376
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:23,940
I don't really want her to be shot while
she's six or anything. She starts

377
00:23:23,940 --> 00:23:25,980
talking weird. I don't know. We'll be
fine.

378
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,120
I know how to deal with these kind of
people.

379
00:23:29,500 --> 00:23:31,340
Don't let them take me! No one's here,
Mom.

380
00:23:31,740 --> 00:23:33,480
I did it for you!

381
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:34,800
Listen to me.

382
00:23:35,020 --> 00:23:37,740
Don't let them take me! Look at me. Look
at me.

383
00:23:38,540 --> 00:23:42,080
There you go. Get the hell out. Get the
hell out.

384
00:23:42,860 --> 00:23:43,860
Easy.

385
00:23:58,920 --> 00:23:59,960
No, not really.

386
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:07,060
Have you talked to her about organ

387
00:24:07,060 --> 00:24:10,460
donation? No. No. This just doesn't get
any easier.

388
00:24:10,700 --> 00:24:12,800
It's not a good time to have this
conversation.

389
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,160
No.

390
00:24:27,980 --> 00:24:33,900
some brain tissue for research would
really help us answer some questions

391
00:24:33,900 --> 00:24:40,220
a disease we really don't know anything
about at this stage. Knowing the precise

392
00:24:40,220 --> 00:24:46,040
cause of illness sort of helps them just
close that chapter in their lives and

393
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:47,040
move on, you know?

394
00:24:47,300 --> 00:24:51,820
Well, I guess I could, well, I could
talk to her about it, I guess, yeah.

395
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,060
it's all right. Yeah, good.

396
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:55,620
Are you doing okay?

397
00:24:56,140 --> 00:24:57,490
Yeah. Yeah.

398
00:24:57,690 --> 00:25:00,530
Good. Good. Good talking to you. Okay.
Thanks.

399
00:25:08,170 --> 00:25:12,670
You guys have been following this little
scandal down at City Hall. You've heard

400
00:25:12,670 --> 00:25:17,470
of Simon Sullivan. He's the third
-generation millionaire. He's a spoiled

401
00:25:17,470 --> 00:25:18,470
is what he is, really.

402
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:23,470
It's the kind of thing that most people
brush right over it. It's no big deal.

403
00:25:23,710 --> 00:25:26,270
But, folks, this is our money.

404
00:25:26,670 --> 00:25:32,010
You are giving your money so that some
rich brat can make fancy backroom deals

405
00:25:32,010 --> 00:25:35,470
with his friends. We should be pissed
about this. This is the kind of thing

406
00:25:35,470 --> 00:25:39,550
society needs to stop and get behind and
get pissed off and do something.

407
00:25:40,010 --> 00:25:40,729
Who's there?

408
00:25:40,730 --> 00:25:42,330
Come on, let's go, let's go.

409
00:25:46,110 --> 00:25:48,470
What are you doing? What are you doing?
This is disgusting.

410
00:25:48,770 --> 00:25:51,590
Do you have time to smoke anyway? Is
that what I'm paying you for? We put it

411
00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:53,250
the flower pot. That's nice. That's
really nice.

412
00:25:53,980 --> 00:25:56,620
I was just leaving, so I figured I was
going to, you know. You were leaving,

413
00:25:56,620 --> 00:25:58,960
you're still here. You're still on the
clock. I'm paying you to smoke a

414
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,660
cigarette. I don't think that's right
now, is it? I think I was going to close

415
00:26:01,660 --> 00:26:04,360
tonight. Yeah, I was going to. Just to
give John a break. Yeah, I was going to

416
00:26:04,360 --> 00:26:06,100
be the manager tonight. I was going to
make decisions.

417
00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:10,240
I know what you're trying to do with the
overtime, trying to milk the house

418
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,680
behind my back. Do you think I'm not
aware of that? Okay. This is not going

419
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:14,399
happen tonight.

420
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:15,400
I know one cigarette.

421
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:16,600
Understood?

422
00:26:16,660 --> 00:26:20,540
Okay. You know, the only thing was, man,
the guy would never talk to me like

423
00:26:20,540 --> 00:26:21,540
that.

424
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,740
Never talk to me like that if you just
bumped into me on the street, man. It's

425
00:26:24,740 --> 00:26:26,220
because of this fucking jacket.

426
00:26:26,420 --> 00:26:27,600
Hey, don't look down, man. Here comes
your buddy.

427
00:26:28,820 --> 00:26:29,820
Nailed it, guys.

428
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,700
Guy says one word to me, and I swear to
God, I'm going to take him down. That's

429
00:26:34,700 --> 00:26:36,560
it. No, no, last time he was a fucking
bitch, man.

430
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,120
Hey, what the fuck? The camera. What the
fuck are you doing here? I don't give a

431
00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:42,840
shit who you are. You stay the fuck away
from my car, you hear me? Absolutely.

432
00:26:43,100 --> 00:26:44,100
Hello?

433
00:26:44,380 --> 00:26:48,220
Stay away from my fucking car. Fuck, you
know, I just fucking froze. I just

434
00:26:48,220 --> 00:26:49,119
froze, right?

435
00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:51,780
What the fuck are you going to do about
it, huh? I'll take care of it. I'll park

436
00:26:51,780 --> 00:26:54,800
it. I'll put it in the owner's private
spot, okay? John, right? You do that. I

437
00:26:54,800 --> 00:27:01,540
can't, like... That guy just better pray
our paths never cross again. I swear to

438
00:27:01,540 --> 00:27:04,680
God, man, because I would be the
absolute worst person for him to meet in

439
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,180
alley. I guarantee there would only be
one of us walking out of there, man.

440
00:27:12,940 --> 00:27:13,940
Guys.

441
00:27:42,229 --> 00:27:43,950
Hey, you guys see that guy?

442
00:27:45,030 --> 00:27:47,330
Want to know where he lives?

443
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,440
How about 158 Tall Cedar Drive?

444
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:54,720
You guys up for a field trip tomorrow?

445
00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:56,720
Yeah. I'm going to take him down.

446
00:27:57,540 --> 00:27:58,840
I'm going to take him fucking down.

447
00:27:59,180 --> 00:28:00,480
Whoa, easy there, cowboy.

448
00:28:00,780 --> 00:28:02,000
You're going to take down Sullivan?

449
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,940
Yeah. Listen, you're you, right? You get
angry at people all the time. I can

450
00:28:06,940 --> 00:28:07,940
just let it slide off me.

451
00:28:08,140 --> 00:28:10,480
I don't know, maybe you can learn
something from that. I don't know how

452
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:11,480
you do it, man.

453
00:28:12,220 --> 00:28:16,580
I don't know. I just know bad things are
going to happen to people who act like

454
00:28:16,580 --> 00:28:18,160
assholes. I know that.

455
00:28:23,770 --> 00:28:24,770
Okay, let's go. Let's go.

456
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:26,150
Okay, one of you guys, take the head.

457
00:28:26,690 --> 00:28:27,689
Forget about the program.

458
00:28:27,690 --> 00:28:28,289
Fuck that.

459
00:28:28,290 --> 00:28:29,290
All right, turn him over.

460
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:32,430
Okay.

461
00:28:35,910 --> 00:28:36,910
Got it.

462
00:28:38,670 --> 00:28:39,670
Where's the gun, Nathan?

463
00:28:40,890 --> 00:28:41,890
Under the armpit.

464
00:28:44,730 --> 00:28:45,770
Okay, that's it.

465
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:47,070
Head first.

466
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:48,990
Come on.

467
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,320
Chris, don't shoot, man. You're going to
leave your DNA everywhere.

468
00:29:01,620 --> 00:29:02,620
Not again.

469
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:03,880
All right.

470
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:08,460
Take it in. Get in. Get in.

471
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,900
You all right?

472
00:29:13,740 --> 00:29:14,740
I think so.

473
00:29:15,060 --> 00:29:16,060
Everything's cool.

474
00:29:16,340 --> 00:29:17,780
I can't deserve what this place is.

475
00:29:18,380 --> 00:29:19,380
Perfect.

476
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,660
Say goodbye, Simon. You won't be seeing
this place no more.

477
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,000
And now we're learning a little more
about the connections he may have had,

478
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,900
people he might have hung around with,
and it's starting to appear like a

479
00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:33,240
professional mob hit.

480
00:29:34,620 --> 00:29:40,500
If this guy was kind of a slimy frat boy
type that we think he is, maybe he had

481
00:29:40,500 --> 00:29:41,500
it coming.

482
00:29:41,740 --> 00:29:44,780
I'm not condoning any of this. I'm just
saying, again, look, folks, you know,

483
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,120
you hang around with the wrong people,
these are the kind of things that are

484
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:48,120
going to happen.

485
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:52,400
Shit, look at that.

486
00:29:53,790 --> 00:29:55,550
I can't even press it in with my hand.

487
00:29:56,530 --> 00:29:57,530
It's flat.

488
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:58,590
What do you mean it's flat?

489
00:29:58,990 --> 00:29:59,789
It's flat.

490
00:29:59,790 --> 00:30:02,170
The tire, it needs air. There's no air
in it. It's flat.

491
00:30:02,430 --> 00:30:04,210
Well, I got a cell phone. Why don't you
call AAA?

492
00:30:05,090 --> 00:30:06,090
I don't have AAA.

493
00:30:06,130 --> 00:30:07,130
Do you?

494
00:30:07,290 --> 00:30:08,430
Chris, you got AAA?

495
00:30:10,850 --> 00:30:11,850
All right.

496
00:30:12,750 --> 00:30:17,490
I think there's a store or a gas station
a little up ahead.

497
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,400
I guess we're just going to have to make
a run for that. I don't see as we have

498
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:22,319
any other option.

499
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,480
I mean, we can't call a tow truck, even
if we wanted to.

500
00:30:24,780 --> 00:30:26,540
There's a dead body in the trunk, for
God's sakes.

501
00:30:27,500 --> 00:30:28,500
Well, I don't know, man.

502
00:30:28,820 --> 00:30:30,280
I'm open to suggestions here.

503
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:31,780
Why don't we try that farm?

504
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,340
I don't know nothing about no farming.

505
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,180
Are you going to talk to them? I don't
want to talk to them. I'll talk to them.

506
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:38,300
I'm sure they're cool.

507
00:30:38,700 --> 00:30:41,900
I'd rather get rid of this problem first
before we start talking to people.

508
00:30:42,220 --> 00:30:43,220
Let's just try it.

509
00:30:43,580 --> 00:30:44,580
All right, to the farm.

510
00:30:48,189 --> 00:30:49,870
Farmers always got extra stuff actually.

511
00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:51,310
Pretty good idea.

512
00:30:51,470 --> 00:30:53,950
Maybe if you knock on the house or
something. Oh, there's somebody.

513
00:30:54,550 --> 00:30:55,550
Hey,

514
00:30:55,670 --> 00:30:56,670
how you doing? Hi.

515
00:30:56,790 --> 00:30:57,790
Not bad, guys.

516
00:30:57,910 --> 00:30:58,910
Sorry to bother you.

517
00:31:00,590 --> 00:31:01,610
My name's Nathan.

518
00:31:02,290 --> 00:31:03,310
This is Anthony.

519
00:31:03,570 --> 00:31:05,130
Hi, how are you? This is our friend
Chris.

520
00:31:05,610 --> 00:31:09,070
Hi, how you doing? We were just doing a
little documentary and we were tired. We

521
00:31:09,070 --> 00:31:09,869
didn't have a phone.

522
00:31:09,870 --> 00:31:10,689
No problem.

523
00:31:10,690 --> 00:31:12,910
I got a tire in the barn. Oh, that'd be
great. Yeah.

524
00:31:13,290 --> 00:31:15,830
I can help you out. Sure, let's go.
That'd be great.

525
00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:17,970
What kind of farm is this, anyway?

526
00:31:18,290 --> 00:31:19,370
It's a pig farm.

527
00:31:19,690 --> 00:31:20,409
Oh, really?

528
00:31:20,410 --> 00:31:21,410
Yeah. Wow.

529
00:31:21,910 --> 00:31:22,910
Wow.

530
00:31:26,510 --> 00:31:28,230
So you actually slaughter pigs here,
too?

531
00:31:28,430 --> 00:31:29,430
Yeah.

532
00:31:33,510 --> 00:31:34,630
We can hear him in there.

533
00:31:35,530 --> 00:31:37,150
Yeah, can we have a tour of it?

534
00:31:37,590 --> 00:31:38,810
Yeah, if you want.

535
00:31:39,150 --> 00:31:40,330
Oh, yeah, that would be awesome.

536
00:31:41,030 --> 00:31:43,070
Want to follow me? Yeah, let's go.

537
00:31:48,550 --> 00:31:50,110
They are four days old.

538
00:31:50,770 --> 00:31:52,830
One is yellow, one is white.

539
00:31:53,950 --> 00:31:55,230
They're brother and sister.

540
00:31:55,470 --> 00:31:56,470
Are they?

541
00:31:58,450 --> 00:31:59,450
Freaking out.

542
00:32:07,310 --> 00:32:13,390
i put it 15 weeks together in the one
pan and that's the way you leave it

543
00:32:13,390 --> 00:32:17,910
till they go to market you cannot say no
i want to put this bunch in this bunch

544
00:32:17,910 --> 00:32:22,410
together yeah yeah they kill each other
really yeah oh yeah are they all males

545
00:32:22,410 --> 00:32:26,770
like it doesn't matter man oh really
they all fix i castrate them all okay

546
00:32:26,770 --> 00:32:30,690
they gotta be fixed because if you not
castrate them The government or whatever

547
00:32:30,690 --> 00:32:32,470
you're selling, they give you nothing
for them. Really?

548
00:32:32,750 --> 00:32:36,130
Nothing. It's worth nothing to you. Some
people are going to tell you that the

549
00:32:36,130 --> 00:32:38,230
pigs are dirty pigs. You tell them he's
wrong.

550
00:32:38,610 --> 00:32:40,450
I'm sorry, my friend. You don't know
that.

551
00:32:41,050 --> 00:32:43,170
You come to my barn, you want to see it,
okay?

552
00:32:43,470 --> 00:32:47,850
Yeah. And even when you're walking,
okay, it's not speaking, stand clean,

553
00:32:47,850 --> 00:32:49,910
it's cool. It's a farm, yeah. What are
you going to do? Sure.

554
00:32:50,170 --> 00:32:51,430
It's got to be clean, okay?

555
00:32:51,970 --> 00:32:55,850
Yeah. This is food, okay, we're talking
about. Yeah, yeah. That's what you

556
00:32:55,850 --> 00:32:56,850
really want to say, right?

557
00:33:10,550 --> 00:33:16,550
You got a little friend on your right
there, Chris.

558
00:33:20,170 --> 00:33:21,790
Brains. Yeah, yeah.

559
00:33:23,100 --> 00:33:26,360
That's why they got that Metcalfe film,
right? Yeah. That's what they say. I

560
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,460
don't know. I'm not a doctor. I know,
right? Yeah. But that's what they say.

561
00:33:29,460 --> 00:33:30,900
don't do that. We don't feed that.

562
00:33:31,540 --> 00:33:33,660
This is a fat from the pig.

563
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:35,159
Oh, okay.

564
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:42,160
And you can cook that meal from that or
put it like a bottom on top of

565
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,019
the bread and eat.

566
00:33:43,020 --> 00:33:43,939
Oh, really?

567
00:33:43,940 --> 00:33:44,940
Try.

568
00:33:44,980 --> 00:33:45,819
That's the best.

569
00:33:45,820 --> 00:33:48,620
You grind it down and you make it put
salt to the stuffing.

570
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:50,840
Come see my smokehouse.

571
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,100
This is a bacon.

572
00:33:52,650 --> 00:33:53,609
Fair ribs.

573
00:33:53,610 --> 00:33:54,850
This is a kolbasa.

574
00:33:55,510 --> 00:33:56,510
Three feet long.

575
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:58,430
Look at that.

576
00:33:59,030 --> 00:33:59,949
Is that real?

577
00:33:59,950 --> 00:34:02,990
I can take it off, but it's too hard to
put it back on. Oh, this is perfect.

578
00:34:03,510 --> 00:34:07,990
But it's three feet long. Look at that.
And see, this is a kolbasa I made.

579
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:09,310
Your own blend?

580
00:34:09,489 --> 00:34:12,790
Anthony, you got to, I'm not cheap, but
that's what you got to cut. Yep.

581
00:34:13,730 --> 00:34:15,690
But that's when you eat raw.

582
00:34:16,449 --> 00:34:17,969
You don't cook this.

583
00:34:18,210 --> 00:34:19,210
No, no. Oops.

584
00:34:19,670 --> 00:34:20,670
It's far down.

585
00:34:23,310 --> 00:34:24,310
You want some more?

586
00:34:24,750 --> 00:34:25,609
No, thanks.

587
00:34:25,610 --> 00:34:29,010
We're going to go to the house for lunch
if you want to try it, boys. Oh, no.

588
00:34:29,110 --> 00:34:31,310
I've never had, like, authentic cabbage
roll.

589
00:34:31,730 --> 00:34:32,989
It's a different way to make it.

590
00:34:33,889 --> 00:34:36,510
Yeah, yeah. Usually it's a lot harder.

591
00:34:40,130 --> 00:34:41,049
It's no good.

592
00:34:41,050 --> 00:34:42,090
The best I've ever had.

593
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:43,310
Don't go hungry.

594
00:34:43,810 --> 00:34:45,870
No, I'll never go hungry, that's for
sure.

595
00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:49,370
We should get that tire, though, eh? Get
that tire changed and get out of here,

596
00:34:49,409 --> 00:34:51,070
yeah. Thank you for lunch. Excellent.

597
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,080
Yes, thanks.

598
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,179
Tire for you, but it should get you
where you have to go.

599
00:34:56,380 --> 00:34:57,218
That's perfect.

600
00:34:57,220 --> 00:34:57,839
There you go.

601
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,740
Oh, man, thank you a lot. Oh, yeah. No
problem.

602
00:35:01,380 --> 00:35:04,300
Thank you, sir. Get you a check soon to
get back.

603
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,080
Don't worry about it. You guys are so
nice. It's unbelievable.

604
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:09,520
Goodbye.

605
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:11,160
See you guys later.

606
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:12,440
Thanks again. Bye, guys.

607
00:35:12,700 --> 00:35:13,780
Take care. Take it easy.

608
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,140
That was a hell of a nice family.

609
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,020
Yeah. Those are great people.

610
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,240
unbelievable at the end of the day we
end up dealing with two types of

611
00:35:25,240 --> 00:35:31,280
abductions if we're dealing with an
abduction pre -planned and spontaneous

612
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:36,020
-planned would generally in many cases
mean that maybe they've educated

613
00:35:36,020 --> 00:35:40,420
themselves because if you're going to
the steps of planning you go on and make

614
00:35:40,420 --> 00:35:47,100
sure you don't get caught again we We
have 5 ,000 missing person reports a

615
00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:51,540
And if we're to, for every missing
person, pull out 200 officers, well, our

616
00:35:51,540 --> 00:35:53,900
budget would need to be about 15 times
what it is.

617
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,480
You know, again, actively, we have
almost 700 cases right now.

618
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,060
Most people know the hair and the skin
are pretty easy to get rid of.

619
00:38:40,620 --> 00:38:43,260
The most difficult part really is the
bones, right?

620
00:38:43,940 --> 00:38:45,580
So here's what I do.

621
00:38:46,540 --> 00:38:48,100
Start with a good reciprocal saw.

622
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:50,640
The power.

623
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:56,720
Once you've removed all the thick stuff,
all the edible flesh, the meat, I cut

624
00:38:56,720 --> 00:38:59,440
the bones up into little pieces so it's
easier to work with.

625
00:39:00,460 --> 00:39:02,940
I know in some of my weaker moments...

626
00:39:03,660 --> 00:39:07,500
You know, I probably thought about just
throwing a body in a dumpster or

627
00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:10,380
something like that, but you've got to
have the discipline. This is where the

628
00:39:10,380 --> 00:39:11,420
discipline comes into play.

629
00:39:15,100 --> 00:39:16,740
Whoa, there's water on the lens.

630
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:18,560
Oh, shit.

631
00:39:35,390 --> 00:39:38,350
No. I think we're going to have to give
this a good cleaning afterwards because

632
00:39:38,350 --> 00:39:39,350
I think this is youth.

633
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:45,950
Okay, it's just that simple.

634
00:39:46,990 --> 00:39:51,870
Once you get a little pile of bones like
that, like these ones here I prepared

635
00:39:51,870 --> 00:39:55,590
for us, just put them back in the kiln.

636
00:40:00,890 --> 00:40:02,210
And turn it up.

637
00:40:02,540 --> 00:40:03,740
high all the way.

638
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,440
Now it's got to go to at least 2 ,600
degrees Fahrenheit.

639
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,140
This thing goes up to 3 ,000.

640
00:40:10,460 --> 00:40:11,940
And that's it.

641
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:13,280
It's pretty straightforward.

642
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,580
You just keep repeating the process
until you've got it all done.

643
00:40:16,900 --> 00:40:18,300
And you've got nothing but ass.

644
00:40:18,540 --> 00:40:19,800
It's time to take a little drive.

645
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,020
This is something I learned.

646
00:40:28,660 --> 00:40:31,320
This is a little something I learned
from a TV movie.

647
00:40:39,170 --> 00:40:40,170
Well,

648
00:40:41,530 --> 00:40:44,810
there are different types of serial
killers, but one of the most dangerous

649
00:40:44,810 --> 00:40:45,850
the visionary killer.

650
00:40:46,370 --> 00:40:50,750
This is a person who believes that
they're bettering society. They're

651
00:40:50,750 --> 00:40:55,270
the world of evil, vermin, however they
or whoever they perceive that to be.

652
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:10,640
Let's go.

653
00:41:10,820 --> 00:41:17,780
So clearly his false sense of justice
can drive someone towards killing a lot

654
00:41:17,780 --> 00:41:23,480
of people. And it also gives the ego a
high degree of motivation for doing so.

655
00:42:21,610 --> 00:42:23,090
The light's on inside. She can see us.

656
00:42:23,350 --> 00:42:25,610
What? Wait, wait, wait. She's going to
see you.

657
00:42:26,130 --> 00:42:27,310
Don't worry. She can see you.

658
00:42:28,090 --> 00:42:30,490
It's lit in there. Dark out here. It's
like two -way glass.

659
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:31,710
Oh,

660
00:42:32,250 --> 00:42:33,350
shit. Oh, fuck.

661
00:42:35,470 --> 00:42:36,470
What?

662
00:42:37,410 --> 00:42:38,410
She can't see us.

663
00:42:38,670 --> 00:42:40,870
There's a ladder down there. One of
those are bound to be open.

664
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:43,550
Okay,

665
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:44,670
just take it easy, all right?

666
00:43:02,090 --> 00:43:05,250
Are you fucking crazy? Come on. There's
nothing to smash you with. We're not

667
00:43:05,250 --> 00:43:06,249
smashing anything.

668
00:43:06,250 --> 00:43:07,270
Do you have a glass cup?

669
00:43:07,550 --> 00:43:09,130
No fucking glass cup. Oh, Jesus.

670
00:43:11,730 --> 00:43:13,230
Fucking dog. Chris, get out of here. Get
out of here.

671
00:43:17,250 --> 00:43:18,250
Okay,

672
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:24,030
we're walking. That's cool. Lots of
noise.

673
00:43:25,130 --> 00:43:26,450
Everything's cool. We're getting out of
here.

674
00:43:27,050 --> 00:43:30,170
Not too fast, though. There we go.

675
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:31,710
There we go.

676
00:43:40,330 --> 00:43:42,150
I thought you were supposed to be the
expert, that's all. Let's just go!

677
00:43:43,930 --> 00:43:44,930
Oh, cool.

678
00:43:45,410 --> 00:43:48,490
Everything's fine. She didn't fucking
see anything. Easy. I totally want to go

679
00:43:48,490 --> 00:43:49,490
up there and just fucking do that.

680
00:43:49,890 --> 00:43:50,890
Fucking dog.

681
00:44:25,339 --> 00:44:27,000
You got this?

682
00:44:33,140 --> 00:44:35,340
Oh, yeah.

683
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:44,090
Right away, can you smell that?

684
00:44:44,430 --> 00:44:45,430
Can you smell it?

685
00:44:46,650 --> 00:44:47,650
It's curry, right?

686
00:44:48,290 --> 00:44:49,530
You guys can smell that.

687
00:44:50,510 --> 00:44:52,330
Chris? You smell that?

688
00:44:53,550 --> 00:44:54,550
No,

689
00:44:55,870 --> 00:44:56,910
I used to think it was a joke, too.

690
00:44:57,610 --> 00:45:01,830
But it's completely true, man. Like,
what you eat, it just gets into you,

691
00:45:01,830 --> 00:45:05,670
out your pores, and it flavors your
meat, flavors your flesh.

692
00:45:05,890 --> 00:45:07,790
I noticed it especially with the
Chinese, too.

693
00:45:08,510 --> 00:45:10,630
I don't know why. Why would anyone...

694
00:45:10,940 --> 00:45:15,440
Want to eat the flesh of another human
being. What inspires cannibalism?

695
00:45:15,780 --> 00:45:22,780
Somewhere in this damaged psyche, we're
taking the violent act, this pent

696
00:45:22,780 --> 00:45:29,120
-up frustration, sexual abuse,
whatever's causing it, we're taking it

697
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:34,200
environment around us, controlling it,
and then taking it in transforms the

698
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:39,340
actual act of killing into something
that is...

699
00:45:39,550 --> 00:45:40,550
that is nourishing.

700
00:45:41,410 --> 00:45:44,070
So that doesn't, it doesn't, it's not
bad anymore.

701
00:45:48,170 --> 00:45:53,410
Maybe you can tell us about your first
culinary venture.

702
00:45:54,390 --> 00:45:55,390
Experiment? Yeah.

703
00:45:56,210 --> 00:45:58,030
It was kind of an experiment, I guess.

704
00:45:59,550 --> 00:46:03,530
Remember that girl I told you about that
John brought over? Right, right.

705
00:46:04,210 --> 00:46:08,230
Well, after that one time, she started
coming over like fairly regularly, which

706
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:09,230
was great.

707
00:46:09,330 --> 00:46:10,630
She was really affordable.

708
00:46:10,890 --> 00:46:17,030
Well, certainly, sexual frustration is a
common cause of violent, homicidal

709
00:46:17,030 --> 00:46:18,030
behavior.

710
00:46:19,110 --> 00:46:20,910
We call them the hedonists.

711
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:28,450
So this is a person whose degree of
sexual frustration is so humiliating and

712
00:46:28,450 --> 00:46:33,630
embarrassing for them, or painful,
really, that they've gone on to...

713
00:46:34,879 --> 00:46:38,280
to perpetrate their violent acts in a
sexual framework.

714
00:46:38,580 --> 00:46:40,700
Anyway, she was a really sweet girl.

715
00:46:42,300 --> 00:46:46,580
I don't know, she must have had, like,
we call it arrhythmia? Yeah.

716
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,960
She just, I don't know, she just seized
up one night.

717
00:46:49,700 --> 00:46:52,280
And I couldn't do anything about it. And
I tried, too.

718
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,220
But I didn't really know what to do.

719
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:55,520
Here?

720
00:46:55,580 --> 00:46:56,580
Here, yeah.

721
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:58,560
Like, in bed.

722
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,320
I mean, no offense, but how do you get
from...

723
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:09,280
there to uh bestow it's a valid question
um i don't know

724
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:15,300
like i know she didn't have any family
and the thought of calling the cops is

725
00:47:15,300 --> 00:47:18,500
going to be around forever i'm certainly
going to remember her when she's a part

726
00:47:18,500 --> 00:47:23,000
of me now she's always going to be
around i know that i know where she is

727
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,480
know it's it's a ultimate control of our
own environment

728
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,920
to the point of which we're taking it
inside of ourselves.

729
00:47:30,140 --> 00:47:36,940
So if we look at a serial killer and
their past, we may discover that they

730
00:47:36,940 --> 00:47:39,300
are impotent. They are unable to
perform.

731
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:44,040
Also, it could be something as
traumatizing as a rejection, a strong

732
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,620
rejection from an early partner.

733
00:47:47,380 --> 00:47:50,680
Really, it all boils down to a lack of
love.

734
00:47:53,130 --> 00:47:56,710
Recent disappearance may be linked to a
number of criminal organizations

735
00:47:56,710 --> 00:48:01,250
connected with a $125 million municipal
computer scandal.

736
00:48:01,470 --> 00:48:05,070
Although no further details were
released, it's believed by sources that

737
00:48:05,070 --> 00:48:08,310
are questioning biker gangs and members
of the Russian business community.

738
00:48:09,070 --> 00:48:14,190
They don't

739
00:48:14,190 --> 00:48:19,590
even know, man.

740
00:48:20,410 --> 00:48:21,650
They don't even know.

741
00:48:25,060 --> 00:48:26,060
Exactly,

742
00:48:26,780 --> 00:48:31,620
right? Everyone expects like a Hannibal
Lecter character, right? For a serial

743
00:48:31,620 --> 00:48:35,460
killer. So on the exterior, no one's
ever going to suspect me.

744
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,000
No one's going to suspect the valet.
Right.

745
00:48:38,260 --> 00:48:43,500
I mean, ideally, you know, you want to
eat something that's been killed when

746
00:48:43,500 --> 00:48:47,200
it's three, four years old, even
younger, right?

747
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:48,520
Hairless goats.

748
00:48:49,300 --> 00:48:51,940
That's what they call them in the
cannibal culture. Okay.

749
00:48:53,340 --> 00:48:55,300
Right, right. That's right. Yeah, I knew
that.

750
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,100
Yeah, I did, actually.

751
00:48:57,420 --> 00:49:03,420
Really? Well, you get curious after a
while. Like, I mean, like you totally,

752
00:49:03,420 --> 00:49:04,420
does make a difference.

753
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,700
It did make a difference, too. It was
very tender.

754
00:49:07,720 --> 00:49:11,000
But it was a pretty bad experience.

755
00:49:11,220 --> 00:49:16,980
It was just like, it brought on way too
much heat. Like, you know, what I was

756
00:49:16,980 --> 00:49:17,980
just talking about.

757
00:49:18,060 --> 00:49:20,820
You know, like, because when kids go
missing.

758
00:49:21,420 --> 00:49:25,600
The whole world flips out, right? Too
much trouble, and I'd rather not have to

759
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:26,600
deal with it.

760
00:49:27,140 --> 00:49:28,140
You remember Ashley?

761
00:49:28,900 --> 00:49:32,640
Ashley? I can't remember her last name.
It was like Sedgwick, I think.

762
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,040
I hardly remember it myself anymore.

763
00:49:35,260 --> 00:49:37,420
I remember them looking for a little
girl anyway.

764
00:49:37,940 --> 00:49:41,160
Yeah, it was all over the TV, man. Would
you do it again?

765
00:49:42,580 --> 00:49:43,580
No, I don't think so.

766
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:45,900
No. It was just the one time.

767
00:49:46,820 --> 00:49:47,820
Yeah.

768
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:50,320
It was just the once.

769
00:49:50,860 --> 00:49:53,240
Actually, it was a huge case around
here.

770
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:58,160
We have had and continue to follow some
of the leads, and certainly the case

771
00:49:58,160 --> 00:49:59,340
hasn't gone cold.

772
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:04,500
We still have a detective that's
assigned to it doing follow -up. We did,

773
00:50:04,500 --> 00:50:07,800
it originally happened, of course keep
in mind this was almost two years ago

774
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,780
now, we had hundreds of calls came in
from the public.

775
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,260
But yeah, generally speaking, we're
still working.

776
00:50:35,129 --> 00:50:37,850
Hey, how you doing, Merle? I'm Chris. We
spoke on the phone. Yeah, good to meet

777
00:50:37,850 --> 00:50:39,090
you. Nice to meet you. All right.

778
00:50:39,670 --> 00:50:41,950
Hello, guys. Come on in. We're on the
forum. Perfect. Great.

779
00:50:42,890 --> 00:50:44,790
Hey, what did you say her name on the
show was again?

780
00:50:45,010 --> 00:50:47,710
It was called Nick and Kid, Lost and Not
Forgotten. Right, right.

781
00:50:47,930 --> 00:50:49,250
Well, come on in. It's just up here.

782
00:50:50,210 --> 00:50:51,210
Anytime you're ready.

783
00:50:52,930 --> 00:50:55,350
Her name is Ashley Elizabeth Sedgwick.

784
00:50:55,850 --> 00:50:57,950
This is the most recent picture I've got
of her.

785
00:50:58,590 --> 00:51:03,010
Here she was seven, and she'll be nine
in April.

786
00:51:04,530 --> 00:51:09,390
She disappeared on December 6th of 2001
from Barrie Park.

787
00:51:10,170 --> 00:51:11,350
That's just over there.

788
00:51:11,650 --> 00:51:16,330
The last she was seen that we were able
to confirm was 4 .30 that afternoon on

789
00:51:16,330 --> 00:51:17,330
December the 6th.

790
00:51:18,590 --> 00:51:23,930
Her father, about an hour later, called
her, went onto the porch to call her in

791
00:51:23,930 --> 00:51:25,010
for dinner.

792
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:26,830
Ashley wasn't in the park.

793
00:51:27,110 --> 00:51:33,290
You can imagine it's any parent's
nightmare come true. I mean, phone rang.

794
00:51:34,250 --> 00:51:36,690
Went into the other room for not even 30
seconds.

795
00:51:37,650 --> 00:51:40,670
Next time I look out, I don't see her.

796
00:51:41,350 --> 00:51:46,510
You know, I figured she's just gone over
to the store on the corner and, you

797
00:51:46,510 --> 00:51:48,650
know, getting candy, and she'll be right
back.

798
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:54,930
A while later, I can't find her, and the
neighbors helped. We scoured the area.

799
00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:56,030
Everybody was so good.

800
00:51:56,190 --> 00:51:59,950
I mean, just no luck.

801
00:52:00,490 --> 00:52:05,170
The way that the investigation has gone
with Ashley is we now believe it's a

802
00:52:05,170 --> 00:52:07,190
stranger abduction. It was a stranger
abduction.

803
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:11,650
We've gone through the process of
dealing with family and friends.

804
00:52:11,850 --> 00:52:17,010
the information we have and the way the
investigation has moved, it's now

805
00:52:17,010 --> 00:52:19,230
leaning that Ashley was abducted by a
stranger.

806
00:52:19,730 --> 00:52:24,650
A fairly bold abduction. A fairly bold
abduction. No, it's not about morality.

807
00:52:24,910 --> 00:52:26,050
It's a crapshoot.

808
00:52:26,450 --> 00:52:28,650
I mean, how many people die every day?

809
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,500
You know, in every conceivable possible
way.

810
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:42,240
Tough luck. Like, I mean, that's, you
know, that's what happens.

811
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:47,860
Wow. I mean, you know, I can't lie.
You've got small thoughts here and there

812
00:52:47,860 --> 00:52:54,260
about kind of like a revenge fantasy.
But, you know, I found that, you know,

813
00:52:54,300 --> 00:52:56,880
those kind of thoughts just lead to
frustration. I mean.

814
00:52:57,610 --> 00:53:02,290
We need to be doing things that are
actually gonna help get our children

815
00:53:02,390 --> 00:53:04,830
How often is the child actually found?

816
00:53:06,610 --> 00:53:07,610
Not often.

817
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,100
Alive or, you know, if you deal with
alive, it doesn't happen very often.

818
00:53:12,100 --> 00:53:13,140
how often is she found safe?

819
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:19,940
Yeah, you know, the odds are vastly
against it. Certainly it has happened,

820
00:53:19,980 --> 00:53:24,240
you know, it's likely a .0005 % chance
of it happening.

821
00:53:24,500 --> 00:53:26,960
I'd like to ask you a question. You
don't have to answer it if you don't

822
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:27,879
it. No problem.

823
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:28,880
Go ahead.

824
00:53:29,100 --> 00:53:32,480
Considering Ashley's age and the amount
of time she's been missing,

825
00:53:32,660 --> 00:53:36,640
statistically the odds are very slim
that she'll be found alive.

826
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:38,320
How do you deal with that?

827
00:53:39,240 --> 00:53:43,860
Oh, I can't give up hope. I'm sure that
we'll find Ashley someday.

828
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:49,980
And all it takes is, you know, something
like this. Whereas if someone saw...

829
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,660
Maybe they recognize her from her
picture. There it is again.

830
00:53:55,020 --> 00:53:57,880
Certainly, since you guys are doing this
documentary, this would be an excellent

831
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:03,060
opportunity to say that if there is
anyone out there that has any

832
00:54:03,060 --> 00:54:05,620
the Ashley Shedwick case, come forward.

833
00:54:05,820 --> 00:54:06,940
Even if you think...

834
00:54:07,370 --> 00:54:12,770
You may have seen her. Please, just make
that phone call or tell authorities.

835
00:54:13,230 --> 00:54:17,770
It's a devastating thing. You know, you
take a young, like, you look at, you

836
00:54:17,770 --> 00:54:20,390
know, you look at Ashley. She's a
beautiful young girl.

837
00:54:21,020 --> 00:54:25,120
beautiful young girl, and to take her
and take her away from her family, take

838
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,340
her away from her father, it's a
traumatic event.

839
00:54:27,580 --> 00:54:31,840
And, you know, the family's already had
to deal with tragedy because Ashley's

840
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:36,680
mother had died a few years before that.
So the poor father had to, you know,

841
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:41,600
lost his wife, and now he loses his
daughter. I think in the end, you know,

842
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,820
do all have to find our own peace in
life.

843
00:54:59,980 --> 00:55:05,160
There's not much that I can't imagine
doing to the worthless piece of scum to

844
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:10,660
perpetrate these kinds of crimes. As a
father of two young girls, I can tell

845
00:55:10,660 --> 00:55:12,040
what I would do.

846
00:55:12,460 --> 00:55:15,640
I wouldn't be responsible for my actions
at that point. I can just tell you that

847
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:16,359
right now.

848
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,220
I'm the type of person that likes to
bring closure to everything.

849
00:55:19,540 --> 00:55:23,640
And when you have outstanding cases and
you don't have closure...

850
00:55:24,460 --> 00:55:26,160
builds up a certain degree of
frustration.

851
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:30,240
But at the end of the day, I have a job
to do. I need to remain professional.

852
00:55:30,660 --> 00:55:32,160
I need to remain pulpit.

853
00:55:34,420 --> 00:55:37,640
I can't thank you enough, Merle. I
really appreciate it. Thanks again. That

854
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:38,640
great. Yeah,

855
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,160
thanks again. Okay, take care.

856
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:46,720
We're not quite sure, but as soon as we
find out anything, we'll let you know

857
00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:47,720
right away.

858
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:49,320
Yeah, thanks again. No problem.

859
00:55:49,720 --> 00:55:52,400
You've been great. Very nice. Thanks
again. Take care, okay?

860
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:54,000
Bye for now. Bye -bye.

861
00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:03,900
When I have kids, man, they're not
coming to places like this.

862
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:09,760
No playgrounds, no arcades, no swimming
pools, any place.

863
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:12,460
The kids congregate.

864
00:56:13,620 --> 00:56:15,800
It's like a supermarket, man. To protect
them, eh, I guess?

865
00:56:16,380 --> 00:56:17,380
Yeah.

866
00:56:18,220 --> 00:56:19,220
I mean, what do you think?

867
00:56:22,460 --> 00:56:23,620
I didn't hurt her at all, though.

868
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,120
I mean, it was very quick.

869
00:56:26,940 --> 00:56:31,580
And I tried not to

870
00:56:31,580 --> 00:56:35,140
scare her too much.

871
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:41,460
I totally

872
00:56:41,460 --> 00:56:45,740
thought about it.

873
00:56:46,620 --> 00:56:48,620
It made the most sense. It was right
after 9 -11.

874
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,120
I mean, I didn't know.

875
00:56:51,950 --> 00:56:56,030
She lived right there, but that was the
whole point of the uniform.

876
00:56:56,930 --> 00:56:59,950
She was very cussing, but it was very
quick.

877
00:57:00,970 --> 00:57:05,390
Like, I planned it so that she wouldn't
know.

878
00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:14,170
All right, let's, uh, this is really,
this is too much. Yeah, let's just get

879
00:57:14,170 --> 00:57:14,968
of here.

880
00:57:14,970 --> 00:57:18,030
On that note, do you have, uh...

881
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:23,940
To close off, like any last statement,
maybe a statement to possibly, you know,

882
00:57:23,940 --> 00:57:27,640
like a killer out there or somebody who
knows where actually something's

883
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:28,640
happened to her.

884
00:57:29,100 --> 00:57:31,360
Anything that you can say to all those
bad guys out there?

885
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:33,100
We're not going to stop.

886
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:35,260
We are going to continue.

887
00:57:35,940 --> 00:57:39,300
And we will eventually be successful in
locating you.

888
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:44,560
So the best thing you can do is to come
forward now and...

889
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,040
communicate with us so that we can bring
closure to these incidents.

890
00:57:48,500 --> 00:57:49,960
Tony Prince here with you.

891
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:55,440
The Prince of Darkness, they sometimes
call me. They also call me the prettiest

892
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:56,440
face in radio.

893
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,820
The voice of reason, if you prefer.
We've been following this Simon Sullivan

894
00:58:00,820 --> 00:58:02,960
case. Folks, this keeps getting more
interesting.

895
00:58:03,420 --> 00:58:06,860
It turns out he wasn't running. Well, he
may have been running with the wrong

896
00:58:06,860 --> 00:58:10,640
crowd, but they weren't involved in this
murder, and I maybe led people to

897
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:11,660
believe that Sullivan...

898
00:58:12,250 --> 00:58:13,250
got what he deserved.

899
00:58:13,530 --> 00:58:19,370
Turns out he was murdered by a
disgruntled restaurant valet who,

900
00:58:19,450 --> 00:58:23,350
apparently Sullivan goes to this
restaurant regularly, and this valet had

901
00:58:23,350 --> 00:58:24,390
-in with him the previous night.

902
00:58:25,330 --> 00:58:29,250
And so when did you suspect your friend
was involved in Simon Sullivan's

903
00:58:29,250 --> 00:58:30,250
disappearance?

904
00:58:30,810 --> 00:58:32,150
Well, I guess it was no secret.

905
00:58:32,410 --> 00:58:33,770
You know, John hated the guy.

906
00:58:34,750 --> 00:58:37,510
And, well, I guess a lot of people hated
him.

907
00:58:38,070 --> 00:58:41,020
So in the days... Leading up to his
disappearance?

908
00:58:41,340 --> 00:58:42,340
Thelvan's disappearance.

909
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,040
Yeah, in the days leading up to
Thelvan's disappearance.

910
00:58:45,660 --> 00:58:50,980
I thought John was acting maybe a little
aggressively, you know, and then after

911
00:58:50,980 --> 00:58:56,580
his disappearance, Thelvan's
disappearance, I thought, you know, he

912
00:58:56,580 --> 00:58:57,800
little bit, started acting different.

913
00:58:58,280 --> 00:58:59,600
Different how? What way?

914
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,460
Well, I don't know, kind of, like, even
weirder.

915
00:59:06,460 --> 00:59:08,620
When you saw that it's got a clothes in
its trash?

916
00:59:09,210 --> 00:59:11,910
That's when you suspected he may have
been involved in Sullivan's

917
00:59:12,850 --> 00:59:13,850
Yeah.

918
00:59:14,250 --> 00:59:20,650
Yeah, when I saw Sullivan's bloody suit
in his trash bin, that's when I said to

919
00:59:20,650 --> 00:59:21,649
myself,

920
00:59:21,650 --> 00:59:26,230
John, John, man, what have you done?

921
00:59:28,250 --> 00:59:30,490
And, you know, I wanted to be a good
citizen.

922
00:59:31,050 --> 00:59:36,150
It's not easy turning your best friend,
but I just had to come to you guys.

923
00:59:36,490 --> 00:59:42,740
So, you know, so this, This valet
decides he can just take out Sullivan.

924
00:59:43,460 --> 00:59:47,620
This is his reaction to some kind of
little run -in. This is what people

925
00:59:47,660 --> 00:59:53,180
They can just take their anger to the
extreme and murder someone simply

926
00:59:53,180 --> 00:59:54,320
they might not have tipped you enough.

927
01:00:15,530 --> 01:00:16,530
I'm not!

928
01:00:30,999 --> 01:00:36,180
What is this all about?

929
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,880
Officer, do you have any idea about
these hoops? I'm the manager of this

930
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:41,980
restaurant. What does this have to do
with you?

931
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:45,460
Stay out of it and back off or you're
going to go to jail too. Back off!

932
01:00:47,050 --> 01:00:48,330
Do you know anything about this? No.

933
01:00:48,850 --> 01:00:51,410
They just came. I don't know. Who are
those guys? Who are those guys? Hey,

934
01:00:51,470 --> 01:00:52,470
hey. I've seen you before.

935
01:00:52,530 --> 01:00:53,650
They told me they had permission.

936
01:00:54,110 --> 01:00:57,650
Permission? I've never heard anything
about no permission.

937
01:00:58,110 --> 01:01:01,170
Turn that camera off right now. Turn it
off right now.

938
01:01:01,870 --> 01:01:03,210
It's social terrorism, folks.

939
01:01:04,690 --> 01:01:10,290
Anyway, I would like to apologize to the
Sullivan family just for that part of

940
01:01:10,290 --> 01:01:11,690
my earlier statements.

941
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:16,840
He certainly didn't deserve this. John
Vieira guy taking him out.

942
01:01:17,700 --> 01:01:19,100
Hey. Hey.

943
01:01:19,820 --> 01:01:20,820
You guys see that?

944
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:22,040
What a showstopper, eh?

945
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:25,740
What's happening out there, man?

946
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:27,880
We'll talk inside.

947
01:01:35,100 --> 01:01:36,100
Hello?

948
01:01:46,980 --> 01:01:47,980
Yes, speaking.

949
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:51,860
Oh, my God.

950
01:01:53,620 --> 01:01:54,620
Oh,

951
01:01:54,780 --> 01:01:55,780
no.

952
01:01:58,020 --> 01:02:00,840
Okay. No, no, you called the right
person.

953
01:02:02,180 --> 01:02:03,180
Okay.

954
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:05,920
Okay.

955
01:02:10,980 --> 01:02:14,180
So what do I do? Do I show up right
away?

956
01:02:18,970 --> 01:02:22,530
Okay. Chris, not right now. This is kind
of an important call.

957
01:02:22,790 --> 01:02:25,650
I'll be down there as soon as I can, I
guess.

958
01:02:35,330 --> 01:02:36,330
Okay, yeah.

959
01:02:36,470 --> 01:02:37,470
Sorry about that, Chris.

960
01:02:37,790 --> 01:02:42,010
I think I need you guys to leave.

961
01:02:43,170 --> 01:02:44,990
You don't have to leave. I just got a
bad call.

962
01:02:46,110 --> 01:02:47,110
It's my mom.

963
01:02:47,710 --> 01:02:48,710
She's dead.

964
01:02:48,750 --> 01:02:50,210
Oh, that's terrible.

965
01:02:50,730 --> 01:02:53,190
I'm so sorry to hear that. I'm really
sorry.

966
01:02:53,430 --> 01:02:54,430
Yeah, so am I.

967
01:02:54,790 --> 01:02:56,230
Can we buy you a drink?

968
01:02:56,730 --> 01:02:57,730
No, no.

969
01:02:58,230 --> 01:02:59,230
No,

970
01:03:01,170 --> 01:03:03,530
I don't think that's going to do it. I
just need you guys.

971
01:03:04,150 --> 01:03:06,270
I just need some space right now. I just
need some time.

972
01:03:07,470 --> 01:03:08,770
Yeah, no, absolutely.

973
01:03:10,150 --> 01:03:11,150
No.

974
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:20,200
No, seriously, man. Chris.

975
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:22,640
Give me some respect, man.

976
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:27,360
Hello?

977
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:36,080
Hey, man. Anthony.

978
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,860
Hey. How's it going? It's Chris calling.
Chris. Hey, how's it going, man?

979
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:42,960
You know, the movie's still, you know...

980
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:45,760
looming over our heads, right? And of
course, you know, this whole thing, I

981
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:49,880
mean, the movie's about you, right?
Like, this seems like a significant kind

982
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,180
event in your life, obviously.

983
01:03:52,380 --> 01:03:57,680
What do you say? Well, are you planning
like, you know, I guess like a funeral?

984
01:03:58,700 --> 01:04:02,400
I don't know if this is what you're
hinting at, but I don't think I'd like

985
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:03,400
guys to be there, really.

986
01:04:04,100 --> 01:04:07,000
Hey, is there any way we can get you to
put the lav on?

987
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:08,780
Come on, guys.

988
01:04:09,140 --> 01:04:11,480
I didn't really want you guys here to
begin with, you know? Yeah.

989
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,360
We don't have to, I mean, it's not like
we have to, you know, sit right there,

990
01:04:14,420 --> 01:04:18,900
you know, right by the side of the grave
or whatever, you know, with the camera

991
01:04:18,900 --> 01:04:21,840
and stuff. Well, there won't even be a
grave. Like, I mean, it's, you know,

992
01:04:22,060 --> 01:04:28,300
she's being cremated. Oh, okay. And
then, you know, she left a request that

993
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:32,780
you know, dispose of her ashes at a
specific place. Scatter her ashes. Yeah,

994
01:04:32,780 --> 01:04:36,140
scatter her ashes. Right. I mean, we
wouldn't even be asking, I wouldn't even

995
01:04:36,140 --> 01:04:39,560
making this phone call. It wasn't, like,
100 % necessary to the film.

996
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:43,260
Right, and I think you can sort of, if
you look at it from our perspective, you

997
01:04:43,260 --> 01:04:47,260
can understand how important it is for,
you know, the telling of the movie. You

998
01:04:47,260 --> 01:04:51,280
know, this guy might be the main bit,
you know what I mean? And to let it go

999
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:53,320
would just kill us, right? You know, if
it's that important.

1000
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:57,540
Well, it is important. If we're near the
end, then it's going to help end it.

1001
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:01,720
Yeah, well, it might be the very end.
You know, this might be the last thing

1002
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:02,800
have to do. You never know, right?

1003
01:05:03,020 --> 01:05:04,880
Right. Okay, so basically it's a...

1004
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:09,220
It's a yes to the scattering of the
ashes. That's what you're sort of...

1005
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:10,300
That's what I can tell Nathan.

1006
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:14,120
And I can't tell you how much we
appreciate this, too. And by the way,

1007
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:17,760
I am for your mom. Like, that's... Okay.
We never really got a chance to tell

1008
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:19,580
you how sore we were, but, you know...
Okay.

1009
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:21,740
All right. I hope so.

1010
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:23,300
Okay, man. Thanks a lot.

1011
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:28,840
So are you guys getting sick of this at
all?

1012
01:05:29,940 --> 01:05:32,680
Kind of following me around, you know,
my boring life around?

1013
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:39,120
I don't know.

1014
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:43,060
Maybe something new.

1015
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:45,080
A little change.

1016
01:05:47,020 --> 01:05:48,060
But nothing major.

1017
01:05:48,780 --> 01:05:55,620
I mean, I figure, you know, I've maybe
got a second chance at

1018
01:05:55,620 --> 01:05:58,220
things. I guess the New Year always
makes you think that way. I don't know.

1019
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:01,860
Especially with recent events.

1020
01:06:02,780 --> 01:06:07,540
But as soon as it hits 12, like, we're
out of here.

1021
01:06:07,850 --> 01:06:08,850
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1022
01:06:08,930 --> 01:06:09,930
We're done. We're done.

1023
01:06:10,770 --> 01:06:11,770
What, you're not having fun?

1024
01:06:13,350 --> 01:06:16,610
It was all right for a while, but, you
know, it's pretty cold, man.

1025
01:06:18,090 --> 01:06:19,090
I don't know.

1026
01:06:20,630 --> 01:06:22,270
Besides, I want some more drinks, man.

1027
01:06:23,550 --> 01:06:27,930
Maybe we should go back to my place for
some more New Year's cheer.

1028
01:06:58,380 --> 01:06:59,380
Hold on one second. Anthony?

1029
01:06:59,660 --> 01:07:01,640
Yeah? Wait there. I'm going to get a
close -up.

1030
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:03,440
I mean,

1031
01:07:05,300 --> 01:07:05,959
you want to say?

1032
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:07,520
Close -up of the beer pour. Yep.

1033
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:09,760
Okay. Anytime.

1034
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:12,840
Can't even drink a beer in peace.

1035
01:07:13,660 --> 01:07:15,080
Yeah, it's pretty spontaneous.

1036
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:17,360
Mmm.

1037
01:07:18,020 --> 01:07:19,220
Perfect. Thank you, sir.

1038
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:21,260
A little tears or a toast or?

1039
01:07:23,100 --> 01:07:25,880
Uh, yeah, okay, sure.

1040
01:07:26,610 --> 01:07:28,410
Let's get up, though. You guys got to
get up.

1041
01:07:28,870 --> 01:07:29,870
Okay.

1042
01:07:30,190 --> 01:07:34,130
So, who does it? As hosts, I guess I do
it, right?

1043
01:07:36,130 --> 01:07:37,130
Okay.

1044
01:07:39,010 --> 01:07:40,670
Here's an old one I remember hearing.

1045
01:07:42,650 --> 01:07:46,850
Here's to champagne for real friends and
real pain for sham friends.

1046
01:07:47,810 --> 01:07:48,870
Cheers. Cheers.

1047
01:07:50,310 --> 01:07:51,310
Cheers, guys.

1048
01:07:53,230 --> 01:07:55,150
Someone probably wrote that for
filmmakers.

1049
01:07:57,840 --> 01:07:58,840
From what I hear.

1050
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:05,360
So this is basically it, right?

1051
01:08:06,380 --> 01:08:07,500
As far as the movie goes?

1052
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:08,860
I think we're almost done, yeah.

1053
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:11,800
This is pretty much it.

1054
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:13,520
Awesome.

1055
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:18,080
And when are people going to see it? It
usually takes a year or two, especially

1056
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:19,080
when you have an independent.

1057
01:08:19,899 --> 01:08:22,500
Shooting is easy, but editing is the
hard part. Yeah.

1058
01:08:23,420 --> 01:08:26,840
And what happens when you're finished
with editing it? What happens to all the

1059
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:27,840
tapes?

1060
01:08:31,870 --> 01:08:33,770
So when does the money start rolling in?

1061
01:08:34,689 --> 01:08:37,790
Like possibly if someone buys it, that's
the process?

1062
01:08:38,750 --> 01:08:42,529
Yeah, that's exactly the process,
actually. We're going to try to get a

1063
01:08:42,529 --> 01:08:47,670
agent or try to get into some film
festivals. I also want to make sure I

1064
01:08:47,670 --> 01:08:52,229
whatever my share of the money is. Oh,
yeah, we'll all get taken care of.

1065
01:08:52,430 --> 01:08:54,890
Well, we've shaken hands. This is a
gentleman's agreement.

1066
01:08:55,410 --> 01:08:57,790
We're all men of our words.

1067
01:08:59,410 --> 01:09:00,899
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

1068
01:09:01,740 --> 01:09:03,880
Don't worry about that. Yeah, nobody's
getting left out in the cold.

1069
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:06,979
No, no. I mean, obviously not. Like,
it's just, you know.

1070
01:09:09,260 --> 01:09:10,260
I got to pee.

1071
01:09:10,279 --> 01:09:11,279
Can we get a guide in?

1072
01:09:11,779 --> 01:09:12,779
Yeah, sure. Okay.

1073
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:14,120
Thanks a lot.

1074
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:17,920
Clean the land spots, all right?

1075
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:05,380
What's that you're cooking out on the
front porch?

1076
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:13,100
It takes me way back to back before the
war.

1077
01:11:16,540 --> 01:11:20,840
Everything is changing for better or
worse, I don't know.

1078
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:28,700
I feel this way today, but I might wake
up and say.

1079
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:36,700
When the wind comes pouring down, I
might like it here again.

1080
01:11:40,140 --> 01:11:44,240
Everything is changing for better or
worse, I don't know.

1081
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:46,500
Well, folks, it's come to this.

1082
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:51,660
I hope you're sitting down. I've got a
little surprise for you. We've been

1083
01:11:51,660 --> 01:11:57,300
promising you a special guest for a
while, and special is definitely in

1084
01:11:57,300 --> 01:12:00,400
on this. We've been covering this case
for a long time.

1085
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:07,960
We have live from Cell Block 3, Anthony
McAllister, and I'm going

1086
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:13,520
to give him two minutes to talk about
his organic food program.

1087
01:12:14,220 --> 01:12:17,920
I know you'll be on the edge of your
seats, and then we'll get into what we

1088
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:18,920
really need to discuss.

1089
01:12:19,140 --> 01:12:22,600
Well, I'd like to say thank you, first
of all, or thanks to your producers

1090
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:26,340
anyway. I know you weren't keen on
having me on, but as you know, I've

1091
01:12:26,340 --> 01:12:27,340
been interested in nutrition.

1092
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:30,140
I used to have very unfortunate...

1093
01:12:30,440 --> 01:12:32,300
and thick ideas on the topic.

1094
01:12:32,740 --> 01:12:37,300
But I've been able to channel a lot of
that energy into this new program, which

1095
01:12:37,300 --> 01:12:41,120
stresses natural foods, organic foods.
When I first got here, for instance, I

1096
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:44,160
mean, the inmates were just, you know,
banging off the walls practically. We

1097
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:48,760
were in lockdown every other day. Now,
since I've lobbied the authorities to

1098
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:53,200
take refined sugar, for instance, out of
our diet, a real wave of calmness has

1099
01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:54,460
taken over the whole institution.

1100
01:12:55,180 --> 01:12:58,440
It's allowed everyone to concentrate, I
think, a bit deeper.

1101
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:02,300
and to get on with our lives and to get
on with learning how to reintegrate into

1102
01:13:02,300 --> 01:13:04,100
society. I think it's a fantastic
program.

1103
01:13:04,380 --> 01:13:10,380
And we can assume that the guards or
your fellow inmates are not part of what

1104
01:13:10,380 --> 01:13:12,000
you call organic or natural food.

1105
01:13:13,100 --> 01:13:14,220
Yeah, you can assume that.

1106
01:13:14,460 --> 01:13:18,820
That's cheap, but you can assume that.
Well, I think it's warranted in this

1107
01:13:18,820 --> 01:13:19,820
case.

1108
01:13:20,420 --> 01:13:22,120
Congratulations. We're all very excited.

1109
01:13:22,340 --> 01:13:26,180
You know, I don't appreciate the mockery
with which you treat me with and my

1110
01:13:26,180 --> 01:13:26,898
life with.

1111
01:13:26,900 --> 01:13:32,480
Well, we don't appreciate all that
you've done in our society either. So

1112
01:13:32,480 --> 01:13:33,480
call it even, shall we?

1113
01:13:33,740 --> 01:13:38,840
Well, I've tried to move on, clearly,
from my past. Your victims' families

1114
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:39,840
move on.

1115
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:41,740
Your victims can't move on.

1116
01:13:42,980 --> 01:13:45,880
You're right. So I'm glad that you're
moving on, but some people aren't quite

1117
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:48,560
prepared to do it. Do you even
understand that, Mr. McAllister? Do you

1118
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:49,580
remorse for your crimes whatsoever?

1119
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:51,760
Of course, I feel a great deal of
remorse.

1120
01:13:53,780 --> 01:13:58,620
Clearly, I myself have committed
terrible crimes.

1121
01:13:58,860 --> 01:14:01,600
And what I did, I did because of that
illness.

1122
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:07,660
I had a terrible understanding of the
world.

1123
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:10,660
And I'll bet a bad childhood, too.

1124
01:14:11,260 --> 01:14:12,260
A bad childhood, too.

1125
01:14:12,380 --> 01:14:16,260
I'm not trying to make excuses. I'm only
explaining that what I did, I did

1126
01:14:16,260 --> 01:14:19,940
because I thought really what I was
doing was normal.

1127
01:14:20,300 --> 01:14:24,900
And I know how sick that is, but it's
people like you and these two other

1128
01:14:24,900 --> 01:14:30,960
gentlemen, these filmmakers, who profit
off of my crimes. Don't lump me in with

1129
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:31,898
those filmmakers.

1130
01:14:31,900 --> 01:14:35,720
Don't lump me in with those filmmakers.
I mean, I'm the one in prison, and other

1131
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:37,360
people are profiting from these crimes.

1132
01:14:37,820 --> 01:14:40,480
If cannibalism were legal today,

1133
01:14:42,030 --> 01:14:43,510
would you still be eating people?

1134
01:14:45,170 --> 01:14:47,510
You know, I'm not going to answer that
question.

1135
01:14:47,830 --> 01:14:48,688
Why not?

1136
01:14:48,690 --> 01:14:50,730
That's certainly going to come up at
your parole hearing.

1137
01:14:51,150 --> 01:14:57,050
No. First of all, obviously, there's no
chance that cannibalism, you know, would

1138
01:14:57,050 --> 01:14:58,050
ever become legal.

1139
01:14:58,170 --> 01:14:59,170
But indulge me.

1140
01:14:59,510 --> 01:15:00,650
Let's pretend it is.

1141
01:15:02,110 --> 01:15:08,730
Well, listen, I have no intention of
going back to my former self, my former

1142
01:15:08,730 --> 01:15:09,830
lifestyle.

1143
01:15:10,700 --> 01:15:16,340
I don't want to live, as it were, or
feed, as it were, off of other people's

1144
01:15:16,340 --> 01:15:17,900
misery anymore, unlike yourself.

1145
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:20,580
Why should I or anyone believe a word
you're saying?

1146
01:15:22,380 --> 01:15:25,800
Well, why should I lie? My life is an
open book now. Well, you should lie

1147
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:29,940
because you want to get out on the
outside and continue doing what you were

1148
01:15:29,940 --> 01:15:30,940
doing.

1149
01:15:31,050 --> 01:15:33,230
You have every reason in the world to be
lying.

1150
01:15:33,610 --> 01:15:36,290
I don't want to continue to do what I
was doing. I mean, you're putting words

1151
01:15:36,290 --> 01:15:40,890
into my mouth. No, you said, why should
you lie? And I'm telling you that's a

1152
01:15:40,890 --> 01:15:42,930
very, very valid reason why you would.

1153
01:15:44,150 --> 01:15:47,950
But you can't see what's in me, though.
I mean, you can't know what's in my

1154
01:15:47,950 --> 01:15:51,170
heart. And I can only tell you, I can
only be honest.

1155
01:15:51,430 --> 01:15:55,170
Well, I can only be honest that I have
no interest in...

1156
01:15:56,220 --> 01:15:58,860
becoming or going back to the kind of
person I was.

1157
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:01,840
Well, that's excellent. We appreciate
your transparency.

1158
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:03,600
It's very noble of you.

1159
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:05,840
Thank you. I don't appreciate your
mockery.

1160
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:12,060
Well, we don't appreciate the
circumstances that lead you to even

1161
01:16:12,060 --> 01:16:13,060
program.

1162
01:16:13,180 --> 01:16:18,680
And I normally thank guests for taking
the time. I don't feel it's appropriate

1163
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:19,680
in this case.

1164
01:16:20,220 --> 01:16:21,920
I'd just like to conclude. Thank you.

1165
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:23,320
Okay. Thank you.